Hello fellow kindred! Avadonica released yesterday the 1.1 version that is a new installer, you can delete 1.0 version. This version is focused on solving the major issues on previous version. This is the changelog:
v.1.1 (11.06.2024)
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---- Fixed problem with La_hub crashes.
---- Fixed Master Rambam's model and gangrel female model (thanks to paper_boat).
---- Fixed problem with getting autograph from John Sfilberg if you used discipline on him before.
---- Fixed bug with "Hidden friends" quest.
---- Fixed feeding problem (thanks to Wesp5 for finding the root of the issue).
---- Fixed wrong description of John Sfilberg's location in the receptionist dialog file.
---- Solved problems with correct using Trance(thanks to Barabbah).
---- Fixed bug with one of the actors when players can prevent NPC from leaving after talking.
---- Fixed issue with John Sfilberg's dialog when you can continue the quest before talking with the receptionist.
---- Fixed some bug in the "Show time!" quest.
---- Changed Leila's model in ground zero to the actual one.
---- Optimized and improved Epitaph club map; changed DJ model.
I started yesterday with the hotfix and I got some problems: According to the quest log, there should be a producer with Skelter's "after Vietnam" film in Skyline apt 1. But there is nobody, and no film the steal, either. Just a computer with a subdirectory but no functions. Then I'm supposed to meet Mitnick on the pier after talking to Barabus in the Tattoo parlor, but he is not there. And I could solve the quest to get (or rather not get) Isaak's support before I even had it assigned.
And I have spotted several inconsistencies to "official" Bloodlines history: -Mercurio can't be LaCroix' personal ghoul because in his dialogue he states that he rarely meets the man. -Mitnick is embraced by Gary after breaking into a Nosferatu database. He does not mention meeting another Nosferatu previously. -Nines never assumes the title of Baron for Downtown. And he only became leader of the downtown anarchs after the war with the Kuey Jin where he was the most senior survivor. -I'm not finished yet, but shouldn't Therese be Baron of Santa Monica, not this Jenna character? -Also if you want to include what happened in Prelude, the Hollywood club shouldn't be called "Asp Hole" because in Prelude I the door guard at the Chateau Hotel mentions that Ash is in the process of opening a club in Hollywood, but a name has not yet been assigned.
Then I don't think Jack is in LA more than 10 years before Bloodlines, but on the other hand I think the Chantry should be open. I think Strauss was in LA before the Cam got kicked out in the 1930s and just stayed behind and kept his head down. If the barons didn't even bother to contact Grout, why would they mind a Tremere who doesn't create a fuss?
On the up-side the problem with the downtown crashes really seems to be resolved. Last week I had several, now with the hotfix none.
On the up-side the problem with the downtown crashes really seems to be resolved. Last week I hed several, now with the hotfix none.
Hi Malkav: Thanks for playing and reporting, I will try to answer: 1- "According to the quest log, there should be a producer with Skelter's "after Vietnam" film in Skyline apt 1. But there is nobody, and no film the steal, either. Just a computer with a subdirectory but no functions." - The computer asks you to enter a code number, the code is inside the "codes book" that you can find in this apartment. No way to hack the computer without the book.
2- Mercurio can't be LaCroix' personal ghoul because in his dialogue he states that he rarely meets the man. - Ummm.... interesting... I remember vanilla dialogs where Mercurio said that he is Lacroix' ghoul... so he need his blood... they both should met seldom. But in 2004 maybe they do it less... I don't see a real inconsistency here.
3-Mitnick is embraced by Gary after breaking into a Nosferatu database. He does not mention meeting another Nosferatu previously. - Good to know. So Mitnick will appear in V2 another time, I will add a line where he explains that he managed to break a Nossie db too....
4-Nines never assumes the title of Baron for Downtown. And he only became leader of the downtown Anarchs after the war with the Kuey Jin where he was the most senior survivor. - As a senior member I give him a vote... Lacroix doesn't mention he was a baron, it's for consistency history. I can extend Lacroix's lines with further explanation easily, thanks.
5-I'm not finished yet, but shouldn't Therese be Baron of Santa Monica, not this Jenna character? Therese becomes SM baron after Jenna's death (it's a spoiler), hehe. It's the deal you do with her.
6-Also if you want to include what happened in Prelude, the Hollywood club shouldn't be called "Asp Hole" because in Prelude I the door guard at the Chateau Hotel mentions that Ash is in the process of opening a club in Hollywood, but a name has not yet been assigned. - I knew it, but I never thought that this place will be the "Asp Hole", also it's not mentioned. So I think using this place doesn't contradict the Prelude history.
7-I think Strauss was in LA before the Cam got kicked out in the 1930s and just stayed behind and kept his head down. If the barons didn't even bother to contact Grout, why would they mind a Tremere who doesn't create a fuss? -I must admit, I didnt know it... my information for building the history was this: vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/Maximillian_Strauss and here I read "He is only a recent arrival in Los Angeles, and he has brought with him Tremere influence, as there is no mention of him in Los Angeles by Night (nor any other Tremere)." Which is your source? I would like to avoid inconsistencies.
8-On the up-side the problem with the downtown crashes really seems to be resolved. Last week I hed several, now with the hotfix none.
- I'm so, so,so, glad to hear it.
Last Edit: Jun 18, 2024 8:16:24 GMT by Wesp5: spellcheck
I agree with Malkav on the Mercurio situation, I always assumed that he is the ghoul to some other Ventrue in LaCroix's team but not LaCroix himself. As I said earlier, you always try to reuse existing characters although you have so many great new models! I would swap Mercurio with a new character which will also make voicing him later much easier. The same goes for Mitnick. I believe the real Mitnick hacker was a teenager so ten years before Bloodlines he would have been a kid! Just invent a new character and use a new model. Malkav's comment on the Asp Hole is also true, although I don't see an easy solution there. Maybe just change the logo and the name of the club? The more you change graphics in the maps the more players will believe this is 10 years earlier anyway! Right now very little has changed, maybe rename other places like Ground Zero and more too...
Yes, more changes would be nice. The way it looks now is more like a year or two before Bloodlines, not 13 years. Especially, I saw a poster of Misti somewhere; well she might be a ghoul but since Vesuvius isn't even built yet there shouldn't be posters of Vesuvius strippers For the Asp Hole, well the snake motif is fitting as the current owner is said to be a Setite. Although since she mentioned Golconda I thought she might rather be a Salubri. But the club should have a different name, and maybe some other changes to the interior. On the matter of consistency, you should use a somewhat older model for the server in the diner because that is Doris 13 years younger than in Bloodlines.
About Strauss, I just assumed that he was there a long time ago and never left. After all, he is old enough to call LaCroix young, and the Chantry building looks like it has been there forever. So my guess was that in the wake of the gold rush a lot of vampires came to California, among them of course some Tremere who would need a leader with close contacts to Vienna. But if you have info that Strauss only recently came to LA, that settles it.
On a more technical matter, in Hollywood you can enter the sewers, downtown you can't although the transition icons appear at the manholes. I didn't check for Santa Monica. Since you don't use Nossies I'd suggest disabling all manhole switches. On the other hand, the sewers are used to escape from the bank and iirc also from the warehouse, so it might be a good idea to have the sewers available all the time. On one map, not sure which one, my Assamite still got the Nos radar. And since I visited the Santa Monica Apartments I always get the Elysium loading tip, so you really should do something about Story_States. Did I miss a note or some other hint on the password for the haven computer? Okay, as a veteran Blooodlines player I know it is sunrise, but...
One thing I don't like is that you have to travel that much to get the quests done, and no clue what skill requirements are to be expected. Would be nice to have some starting quests just downtown to get a base stock of xp. For example, the Toreador I tried last week was unable to do the bank quest because I couldn't assign enough starting points to hacking and lockpicking.
If I had too mention five persons with the biggest lore knowledge of this game, you two will surely be in my list... I understand several of your comments, and I think that regular players wont know or even think of those things... but since my goal is that the history fits, I try to keep your advice in mind. For example, using Liotta is a mistake, yes, and will be solved on v2. About Mitnick, well, it could be discussed, but since his identity is not relevant I can change it, or add in v2 a quest to hack a Nosferatu db... I like to use vanilla characters because players can find the ties between mods, that helps building a history, but yes, it can result in what people had "assumed" about a character, doesn't fit with that I had assumed. (I'm talking about Mercurio and Strauss.)
I tried to not break the history, but I can't avoid that people's assumptions are not same as mine, for example I read a post talking about how powerful Mercurio would be being a ghoul since 1970. In my mind he's not so powerful, (if he was, he wouldnt have beeen beaten by the surfers), he's a resourceful guy with contacts.
About the posters and newspapers that don't fit the era, I knew this before the v1 releases, nothing is done yet, it will be done in the polishing phase (probably v3).
About the Setite in the Asp Hole, talking about ties, she's the same character that is in Berlin in War Games, she's looking for the spell of life (called for some vampires (like salubri) Golconda, her history, if you remember, involved Pisha and failed, but she got the clue that she needs the voice of morte (that's why she's in LA now, and why Pisha will be there 10 years later).
Now talking about something specific: "One thing I don't like is that you have to travel that much to get the quests done, and no clue what skill requirements are to be expected. Would be nice to have some starting quests just downtown to get a base stock of xp. For example, the Toreador I tried last week was unable to do the bank quest because I couldn't assign enough starting points to hacking and lockpicking." * Since this is part of the main story, I assume that not all people will have 5 in lockpicking (3 if you use bloodbuff), to open this door. You can use the side door to enter, when you try to pick this door, the guard is aware and comes, you can persuade/seduce/dominate/presence him. Even if you can't do any of those things... you can insult him, he opens the door and fights with you. And about hacking, LaCroix encourages you to go first to Ground 0 and learn about computers, anyway, the computer password is on a paper in the kitchen.
Malkav, if you find the map where the Nosferatu radar is present, please tell me, it's my fault because the Assamite replaces the Nossie and I forgot change tolerances in this map and it must been changed.
I don't think Malkav meant a specific map but the same thing happened to him that happened to me: he got stuck in another hub because of stat problems which means backtracking a lot! This is the reason why Troika opened up one hub after the other and maybe you should do the same. You already do it with Pasadena which is fine...
It is the sinbin, but you only notice if you go down to the peepshow or at least near the stairs. On another note, on the sm schreckhub map the "printo" entity has some broken lines, but nothing that could cause problems.
It is the sinbin, but you only notice if you go down to the peepshow or at least near the stairs. On another note, on the sm schreckhub map the "printo" entity has some broken lines, but nothing that could cause problems.
I ran into a problem with the Endron quest if I support the activists: I got the evidence, but no quest update and the variable wasn't updated either, so I can't hand it in.
I ran into a problem with the Endron quest if I support the activists: I got the evidence, but no quest update and the variable wasn't updated either, so I can't hand it in.
Hi, I had this problem too. The solution is to go inside the nearby building (at the oil site) sneak past the guards and lockpick the safe, and steal the car stereo. This must have been another spot where you could collect the paper and since it's a quest item(?) there was no duplicate. That should trigger the quest to continue and you can go outside and talk to the activists and complete it
I ran into a problem with the Endron quest if I support the activists: I got the evidence, but no quest update and the variable wasn't updated either, so I can't hand it in.
Hi, I had this problem too. The solution is to go inside the nearby building (at the oil site) sneak past the guards and lockpick the safe, and steal the car stereo. This must have been another spot where you could collect the paper and since it's a quest item(?) there was no duplicate. That should trigger the quest to continue and you can go outside and talk to the activists and complete it
Hi moofy, thanks for the report, we'll try to solve it in next release. Also thanks for the tip malkav, probably there's some logic problem in this quest.
I can't talk too much about the new release, I did only some work for it (a few maps, a cutscene, and the last boss fight for one ending), as I had no time to work on it for now. Avadonica and Barabbah are doing the mayor work, also they count upon the help of a native speaker who is "translating" my poor english dlgs to a more standard way of speaking.
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