Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights

Monjh
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Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights Mar 30, 2024 5:54:44 GMT

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Post by Monjh on Mar 30, 2024 5:54:44 GMT

Think about it:

-He is almost 60 years old (at worst, he is a Ghoul for 25 years, at best 35-40);

-He is so good at what he does that he maintain a diplomatic relationship with the Camarilla without being bond to anyone (at least, no one we know of);

-If we believe him, he once survived a Sabbath attack where only he and an Elder survived.

Even if you argue that, being that he is not some Methuselah Ghoul, he at most have a bunch of Disciplines at level 1, he should have a LOT of Abilities in the 3-5 level (and Attributes, let's be real). And he definitely knows how to properly kill/maim a Cainite.

Go ranged against him? He may use incendiary rounds/bolts. Go melee? He may use a torch or other form of Aggravate weapon/attack. He is not a schmuck, he should be a force to reckon with!

Vampires? What are you talking about?

barabbah Ancilla Posts: 250	Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights Mar 30, 2024 11:36:33 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by barabbah on Mar 30, 2024 11:36:33 GMT He's still recovering from that beating in theory.... but you have a point

Wesp5 Moderator Unofficial Patch Creator Fixing Bloodlines Posts: 273	Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights Mar 30, 2024 12:33:57 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Wesp5 on Mar 30, 2024 12:33:57 GMT I would guess that Mercurio isn't really a fighter type, more a vendor . Otherwise the thugs wouldn't have been able to beat him in the first place!

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Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights Mar 30, 2024 17:03:28 GMT MooCHa and wallit like this

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Post by Monjh on Mar 30, 2024 17:03:28 GMT

Mar 30, 2024 12:33:57 GMT Wesp5 said:

I would guess that Mercurio isn't really a fighter type, more a vendor

. Otherwise the thugs wouldn't have been able to beat him in the first place!

Disagree.

He ACTS like a weapons dealer, but he has done more (and implies as such).

In his own words, he got cocky with the thugs, went alone and didn't survey the area. Even an Ancillae would be lucky to get out of that alive (ya know, with the sun getting to it before it finds a safe place). And, being a Ghoul there is a limit to how much he can heal himself without turning into a normal human and quickly getting old (and possibly dying).

Vampires? What are you talking about?

Monjh
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Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights Mar 30, 2024 17:12:55 GMT

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Post by Monjh on Mar 30, 2024 17:12:55 GMT

Mar 30, 2024 11:36:33 GMT barabbah said:

He's still recovering from that beating in theory.... but you have a point

Up until you leave Santa Monica. Them he is almost good at the Elizabeth Dane (and fine and dandy after it).

So, we have a man that acts as a mercenary that find a way to get vamp blood quickly to heal something that would require months of hospital care in just a few days after the Warehouse is blown up.

Yeah, I think he is pretty bad ass.

Vampires? What are you talking about?

barabbah Ancilla Posts: 250	Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights Mar 30, 2024 19:15:40 GMT via mobile Monjh likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by barabbah on Mar 30, 2024 19:15:40 GMT It shouldn't difficult to mod that.... Look in [mod directory]/vdata/system/ One of the NPCTemplate file contains Mercurio's stats so you can edit it with some extra powers

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Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights Mar 30, 2024 19:48:15 GMT

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Post by MooCHa on Mar 30, 2024 19:48:15 GMT

Mar 30, 2024 19:15:40 GMT barabbah said:

It shouldn't difficult to mod that....
Look in [mod directory]/vdata/system/
One of the NPCTemplate file contains Mercurio's stats so you can edit it with some extra powers

Easy for you Boss!

He isn't a Modder

Only interested in the people here.

Monjh Independent Posts: 98	Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights Mar 30, 2024 19:50:35 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Monjh on Mar 30, 2024 19:50:35 GMT If it's text, that is easy. Have done that before. How do you think I've played as that vampire dude in NWN2 in a "made up" race?
	Vampires? What are you talking about?

Wesp5 Moderator Unofficial Patch Creator Fixing Bloodlines Posts: 273	Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights Mar 30, 2024 21:38:29 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Wesp5 on Mar 30, 2024 21:38:29 GMT Mercurio has no disciplines set in his text file and to make him use some, you would need to edit the map or edit a Python script.
	Last Edit: Mar 30, 2024 21:38:40 GMT by Wesp5

Monjh Independent Posts: 98	Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights Mar 30, 2024 21:47:50 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Monjh on Mar 30, 2024 21:47:50 GMT Mar 30, 2024 21:38:29 GMT Wesp5 said: Mercurio has no disciplines set in his text file and to make him use some, you would need to edit the map or edit a Python script. Ok, them I'm fucked. With no lube.
	Vampires? What are you talking about?

barabbah
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Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights Mar 31, 2024 2:19:44 GMT via mobile Monjh likes this

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Post by barabbah on Mar 31, 2024 2:19:44 GMT

Mmh. I'm unsure what to do.
On one hand, it will be cool to do it.
On the other hand, it will be unbalanded.
On the other other hand, it will only influence a small fight almost no one will starts....

wallit
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Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights Mar 31, 2024 7:16:12 GMT

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Post by wallit on Mar 31, 2024 7:16:12 GMT

Mar 30, 2024 17:12:55 GMT Monjh said:

Mar 30, 2024 11:36:33 GMT barabbah said:

He's still recovering from that beating in theory.... but you have a point

Up until you leave Santa Monica. Them he is almost good at the Elizabeth Dane (and fine and dandy after it).

So, we have a man that acts as a mercenary that find a way to get vamp blood quickly to heal something that would require months of hospital care in just a few days after the Warehouse is blown up.

Yeah, I think he is pretty bad ass.

When you meet him in the beach if you didn't kill anyone or have some left over, he say that he just come back from the beach house settling the score

So I think that's why he is almost good in the beach he just crack 5 guys head that have guns, with a baseball bat on his own

wallit
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Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights Mar 31, 2024 7:37:20 GMT

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Post by wallit on Mar 31, 2024 7:37:20 GMT

Mar 30, 2024 21:47:50 GMT Monjh said:

Mar 30, 2024 21:38:29 GMT Wesp5 said:

Mercurio has no disciplines set in his text file and to make him use some, you would need to edit the map or edit a Python script.

Ok, them I'm fucked. With no lube.

That's not a big deal.

I would start first by copying the bishop template and starting on it.

For simplicity I will go with celerity, I have noticed that celerity and potence in a npc are not working (or I don't know how to make them work together).

You have your Mercurio fighting more as a marksman which I think is fine, give him a dragon's breath

But the room where the fight should happen is small, so not sure how it will work in his flat, it is worth a try.

The only thing to change in the map is the template of Mercurio (if needed) and the weapon (for now):

"additionalequipment" "item_w_knife"
"alternateequipment" "0"

and"stattemplate" "Mercurio" if you don't want to change the vanilla template but create a new one, otherwise you change Vampire\vdata\system\npctemplate007.txt and make a save before just in case.

Or you go with potence and you take the nosferatu from the same quest template as a baseline, but in this case due to the room it is really hard for the player, remove the weapon for potence.

~~I have a NPC that is based on him (well I took the model, voice and line), for now the choice to have him fighting is not implemented but if you manage to do it, no big deal to have it in the mod.~~

Wrong it is morning and we have changed hour, so I can implement it after, at the current state of the story he is badly damaged to fight.

Last Edit: Mar 31, 2024 7:46:42 GMT by wallit

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Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights Mar 31, 2024 9:55:42 GMT barabbah and wallit like this

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Post by argikt on Mar 31, 2024 9:55:42 GMT

vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/Mercurio

This is the 'official' info, extracted from the game...

Maybe soon you will see more of his early life in a mod... (but this will be only my vision, of course...)

Last Edit: Mar 31, 2024 9:58:29 GMT by argikt

Monjh
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Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights Apr 3, 2024 4:50:49 GMT

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Post by Monjh on Apr 3, 2024 4:50:49 GMT

Mar 31, 2024 9:55:42 GMT argikt said:

vtmb.fandom.com/wiki/Mercurio

This is the 'official' info, extracted from the game...

Maybe soon you will see more of his early life in a mod... (but this will be only my vision, of course...)

That's why I created this thread, because the "official sheet" ignores A LOT of what he could/should do.

Vampires? What are you talking about?

Mercurio should be one of the hardest fights

Post by Monjh on Mar 30, 2024 5:54:44 GMT

Post by barabbah on Mar 30, 2024 11:36:33 GMT

Post by Wesp5 on Mar 30, 2024 12:33:57 GMT

Post by Monjh on Mar 30, 2024 17:03:28 GMT

Post by Monjh on Mar 30, 2024 17:12:55 GMT

Post by barabbah on Mar 30, 2024 19:15:40 GMT

Post by MooCHa on Mar 30, 2024 19:48:15 GMT

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Post by wallit on Mar 31, 2024 7:16:12 GMT

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